Can we talk about the demonization of coyotes when they are basically just wild dogs (lowkey a little rant)

I was on TikTok and came across a video that someone took of two coyotes play fighting and in the comments and video they were like ‘they are trying to lure your dogs’ and ‘they are fighting over who’s going to eat your dogs’(ignoring the fact that according to multiple credible sources coyotes rarely hunt in packs and that luring thing is just a myth because people’s dogs just perhaps have poor recall and chase coyotes when they are scared and running to their pack) and op was like ‘don’t worry my blue heeler got one this morning’… I’m sorry but I’m more worried about your dog because if it will do that to a coyote, I can’t imagine it wouldn’t do it to another dog. I just think these beautiful creatures are so demonized. People forget that these are wild animals doing what they need to do to survive in an ever dwindling environment.

People forget that these are wild animals doing what they need to do to survive in an ever dwindling environment. This only reinforces the reality. In nature coyotes have no trouble at all taking down prey that weighs 20 pounds or more. With an ever dwindling food supply, coyotes are a wild animal doing what they need to do, which is eat. The question now becomes, what do they eat? I see no lambs or rabbits around here, do you?

@Micah
We have sooooooo many rabbits it’s crazy. And many rats in the city.

@Micah
They don’t mind following the example of the trash pandas, so the food supply is pretty good. Probably why they have burgeoned in the urban areas. I wish they’d take the deer around here. Those need to be culled.

@Micah
We’ve got coyotes up in my neck of the woods in western Wyoming. There are herds of antelope, elk, deer, and a gazillion prairie dogs. Edited to add moose and jackrabbits. They have dragged off house pets before. But it’s not a common thing. It’s more of an opportunistic kill. Residents hunt them, and I believe they get $5 an ear. It’s gross.

@Renny
You make 2 significant points. With all of the available prey they still, occasionally, prey on pets, They are aggressively hunted with a bounty available.

I couldn’t agree with you more, I think it’s very sad how people see animals, as less than, as if they’re not a living being, that feel love and pain, lots of times even sorrow! fun fact ‘ants bury their dead’, But it’s just an insect isn’t it?

@Reese
While I agree with the sentiment. Ants don’t bury their dead, I’ve seen numerous ants hills and such around the world have dumb their dead with the other trash from the nest.

Ashton said:
@Reese
While I agree with the sentiment. Ants don’t bury their dead, I’ve seen numerous ants hills and such around the world have dumb their dead with the other trash from the nest.

I’m sorry friend but you’re absolutely wrong not every single last one of them but the largest majority of them do! Do ants bury their dead? | New Scientist

@Reese
Yes, ants dispose of their dead, as I said before, the article however doesn’t have any scientific papers attached to it about the specific act of burying their dead and how widespread that specific behavior is seen in ants. I also disagree that ants are burying their dead because of sentiment or sorrow as you have implied here. Which I agree that many animals, especially mammals with their more complex brains and larger prefrontal cortex’s do feel love and loss at a certain level as our emotions are built upon those already established by our non-human ancestors. However, Insects like ants are extremely unlikely to have any sort of emotion like what you’re attributing to them.

@Ashton
That’s okay we can agree to disagree, because I certainly just watched a documentary the other day, talking about how they are starting to believe plants are actually sentiment beings! But we’re getting really off topic here! I just don’t understand why it’s so hard to fathom that maybe we were wrong about that too? But just to be clear, what I said was ‘I believe they do it out of sentiment, but science says they do it out of preservation’! It’s okay though I know I’m weird, it’s a curse that i can’t even kill bugs because it makes me feel awful! Just wanted to say ‘thank you’ for being pleasant, it seems like nobody can disagree with you these days, without it getting ugly! I appreciate you, just thought you should know! :smiling_face:

@Reese
If we find plants are sentient, where does that leave vegans?

Ben said:
@Reese
If we find plants are sentient, where does that leave vegans?

fungi

Ashton said:
@Reese
While I agree with the sentiment. Ants don’t bury their dead, I’ve seen numerous ants hills and such around the world have dumb their dead with the other trash from the nest.

The only part I can’t back up is they do it out of sentiment, which I believe that, and I think that it’ll come out one day as scientific fact but it’s not as of now, but as for now, they say they do it to eliminate the spread of disease for the most part!

I understand completely how threatening coyotes can be—they are a decent mid-sized opportunistic predator, and they are highly adaptable, so it’s no wonder that everyone from pet owners to parents to ranchers views them as a threat. To be honest: they are! However, IMO, the characteristics that cause so many people to hate them are what makes them so dang cool. It’s difficult for the majority of species to coexist—and actually thrive—alongside humans. We have a tendency to completely change the environment around us to meet our needs/desires at a rapid pace, and many animals have a difficult time adapting. But coyotes, foxes, raccoons, rats, pigeons…all these animals have not only adapted, but have carved out their own niches within our human-created environments, and that’s pretty dang cool! You gotta respect their hustle. :sunglasses: The best thing to do is to respect coyotes for what they are. I am absolutely against persecution and I fully believe that we can coexist with coyotes with relative ease, especially in urban and suburban areas (rural areas with livestock are frequently significantly trickier, though not entirely impossible—LGDs seem to be the best anti-coyote defense in those situations). • Respect coyotes from a distance. If they approach, haze them! DO NOT FEED THEM FOR GOD’S SAKE!! • Predator proof your house/yard if you have coyotes in the area, and always supervise small children and pets. Teach kids how to properly haze wildlife like coyotes to dissuade them from approaching. This is especially important during the spring and summer when they are raising pups and when the yearlings set off to find their own territories and mates. Young animals of all kinds have a lot to learn, and young predators have to test out a wide variety of potential prey to figure out whether or not that is something they should/could eat. • Coyotes are the right size to be both predator and prey, and they are opportunistic hunters meaning that they are not staking out a potential meal for days on end coordinating an attack: they are probably almost always looking for a meal and if they see an opening, they will take it. Don’t let them find an opening. • Try to look at the world from the coyote’s perspective when making decisions about how to protect your small loved ones and how to defend yourself from emboldened animals. Remember that these are non-human animals, which means we should be cautious about applying human motivations to them. They live, and are adapted to, a totally different world than us. Like jackals, they are social but don’t necessarily form cohesive packs like wolves; instead they tend to hunt and explore alone or with their mate.

@Joey
This was a nice read, thank you🤗

Freeman said:
@Joey
This was a nice read, thank you🤗

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The thing that always annoys me with posts like this is that most of there people are living in the country or in large suburban areas that we have invaded with our construction. Of course they’re going to encounter more wild animals like coyotes, and people who let their cats out are ignorant of the damage they cause with their actions so I have no sympathy for them either when a coyote grabs one.

@Ashton
We are just starting to get coyotes in the area where i live, snd I’m looking forward to them knocking down the feral cat population. The cats kill so many wild birds, it’s disgusting.

There’s a pack of coyote living in a park near me. My neighbor’s dog Tex and I catch one of them in a clearing every day around noon. Occasionally he will stalk us and gets within 20-30 feet. Tex wants to play with the coyote but I don’t think it would be very fun. He gets enough enjoyment rolling around in the rabbit and racoon carcasses we find.